Roger Pickard Aug 30, 2009
----- Original Message -----
From: "ucac3temp" <ucac3temp@...>
To: <guide-user@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:59 PM
Subject: [guide-user] Re: UCAC3 from VizieR in Guide 8 - a howto
>
> It's a toolbar button, I haven't done the menu adjustment as that's
> even more confusing to folk.
>
> If you've copied ucac3.bmp into your guide directory and done the
> editing as said and have toolbar buttons active / displayed, it'll
> work, otherwise check for typoes.
>
> ucac3.bmp and ucac3.tdf are also in the yahoo guide pages files
> repository, here
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/guide-user/files
>
> click on 'em and you can download 'em, I think you've to log into a
> yahoo account to do that, though.
>
> Alternatively you can back up the file win_menu.dat, load it into a
> text editor, search for the word ucac2 and then edit this line
>
> 2550 1545 Get UCAC2 from Internet
>
> to say this instead
>
> 2803 1545 Get UCAC3 from Internet
>
> but if you do that you've also to edit strings.dat (after backing it
> up), navigate to the 1545th line and edit that too so that instead
> of saying
>
> Get UCAC2 from Internet
>
> it'll say
>
> Get UCAC3 from Internet
>
> (although that's not essential for it to work, it's just fixing the
> English, and doing no coding).
>
> You will then lose the ability to get ucac2 data from the internet,
> but that shouldn't matter, considering.
>
> Probably better for you to wait for Bill's solution.
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
> --- In guide-user@yahoogroups.com, "P. Clay Sherrod" <drclay@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I followed the instructions and edited the data sets as
>> described, but I can find
>> the reference to UCAC-3 no where on any links in Guide; I find
>> "UCAC-2 via VizieR" but not
>> the latest entry.
>>
>> Any ideas or suggestions?
>>
>> Clay
>> _____
>> Dr. P. Clay Sherrod
>> Arkansas Sky Observatories
>> MPC H45 - Petit Jean Mountain South
>> MPC H41 - Petit Jean Mountain
>> MPC H43 - Conway West
>> http://www.arksky.org/
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "P. Clay Sherrod" <drclay@...>
>> To: <guide-user@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [guide-user] Re: UCAC3 from VizieR in Guide 8 - a
>> howto
>>
>>
>> > Hi John and thanks....
>> > I have never used, nor am not even vaguely familiar with, VizieR.
>> > Is this something that - with the preparatory work and loading as
>> > you have outlined - I
>> > will be able to access readily or is there something else needed?
>> >
>> > Clay
>> > _____
>> > Dr. P. Clay Sherrod
>> > Arkansas Sky Observatories
>> > MPC H45 - Petit Jean Mountain South
>> > MPC H41 - Petit Jean Mountain
>> > MPC H43 - Conway West
>> > http://www.arksky.org/
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "ucac3temp" <ucac3temp@...>
>> > To: <guide-user@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:34 PM
>> > Subject: [guide-user] Re: UCAC3 from VizieR in Guide 8 - a howto
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hiya
>> >>
>> >> Well, it is as it says on the tin, I'm afraid.
>> >>
>> >> This is for immediate use, via vizier, because vizier downloads
>> >> data to the hard drive
>> >> in a quasi-ascii way, at least the way Guide 8 downloads it.
>> >>
>> >> Now, if you've got the DVD, although you mention CD, I'd heard
>> >> it to be a double sided
>> >> DVD, that's in compressed binary files, and when Bill Gray has a
>> >> chance to see some of
>> >> those he will likely have to generate a Guide8.exe update. Just
>> >> as the CD version of
>> >> UCAC2, either directly or copied to hard disk, is compressed
>> >> binary files, and has bits
>> >> of itself decompressed on the file with Guide 8.
>> >>
>> >> The VizieR aspect is that VizieR serves the data in a different
>> >> way to the source, and
>> >> it is a way that can be used easily via the TDF system.
>> >>
>> >> It's not the same thing at all.
>> >>
>> >> VizieR serves several large databases in a way Guide can get at
>> >> them, but also in a way
>> >> that is a kind of "CDS standard" as opposed to how the source
>> >> data necessarily look.
>> >>
>> >> USNO are serving UCAC3 in a somewhat proprietary manner so they
>> >> can fit it on one DVD.
>> >>
>> >> There are other differences too. For instance, as sourced via
>> >> CD/DVD ROM all versions
>> >> of UCAC, first, second and third, do not include declination.
>> >> They give South Polar
>> >> Distance in millarcseconds. VizieR converts this to declination
>> >> for the users'
>> >> convenience. Bill will likely write something that will convert
>> >> this as an exe file
>> >> for
>> >> data extraction to ascii, and also separately for Guide 8, the
>> >> same as he did for UCAC2
>> >> in the past.
>> >>
>> >> I assume.
>> >>
>> >> I've gone on at length to assure you I'm not just fobbing you
>> >> off, I'm trying to show
>> >> the two source routes are different universes.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> --- In guide-user@yahoogroups.com, "P. Clay Sherrod" <drclay@>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello John....
>> >>> Since I am about to install UCAC-3 this is very interesting and
>> >>> important to me, but
>> >>> frankly I have no idea what you just posted. Can you explain
>> >>> exactly what this does
>> >>> once
>> >>> installed?
>> >>>
>> >>> Your explanation as to what it IS is very impressive, but I
>> >>> think you may be
>> >>> overlooking
>> >>> the obvious, as in: what does this do? What if we are not
>> >>> installing from "VizieR"
>> >>> but
>> >>> from CD's, etc., etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> Your help is appreciated, but it is me who needs help on this
>> >>> one....thanks.
>> >>> Sometimes
>> >>> computer-challenged individuals needs a bit more than the
>> >>> facts.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dr. Clay
>> >>> _____
>> >>> Arkansas Sky Observatories
>> >>> MPC H45 - Petit Jean Mountain South
>> >>> MPC H41 - Petit Jean Mountain
>> >>> MPC H43 - Conway West
>> >>> http://www.arksky.org/
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "ucac3temp" <ucac3temp@>
>> >>> To: <guide-user@yahoogroups.com>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:02 PM
>> >>> Subject: [guide-user] UCAC3 from VizieR in Guide 8 - a howto
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Alrighty then, here's a temporary ucac3 from vizier for Guide
>> >>> > 8 thingy until Bill
>> >>> > has
>> >>> > chance to do a grown up and more sophisticated one, because
>> >>> > it is quite a busy
>> >>> > dataset,
>> >>> > with lots of flags and all that.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > This will give you positions, errors on positions, proper of
>> >>> > the motions, errors
>> >>> > thereupon, and ucac3 "model fit" ucac3 mags as well as 2mass
>> >>> > J and Ks mags and
>> >>> > errors
>> >>> > thereon, and maybe something else, I forget already.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I haven't bothered with any flags, ones such as those for
>> >>> > doubles will only crop up
>> >>> > rarely, and I'm fairly sure most of the astrometry software
>> >>> > ignores various flags,
>> >>> > especially the photometric ones, so why shouldn't a charting
>> >>> > proggie? Also no final
>> >>> > paper has been published yet so exactly what some flags
>> >>> > represent and which one's
>> >>> > concern the average chart maker or scope pointer is summat
>> >>> > else altogether, even if
>> >>> > there is a readme explaining some points, that's not the same
>> >>> > as a full description
>> >>> > as
>> >>> > will appear in the eventual published journal paper.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > There's no use in the tdf I've writ for this one of the Guide
>> >>> > proper motion
>> >>> > corrections
>> >>> > to epoch of date, ie I haven't used those command words to
>> >>> > add proper motion to get
>> >>> > epoch corrections coz it's often "problematic". Positions
>> >>> > are thus epoch and
>> >>> > equinox
>> >>> > 2000 and proper motion is quoted in more info and help pop
>> >>> > up.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Guide should not be running when you do the following.
>> >>> > Backup any file to be
>> >>> > edited,
>> >>> > just make a copy of if unsure.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > First, you need to get hold of download.txt. Make a back up
>> >>> > of the original. It's
>> >>> > in
>> >>> > the Guide directory.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Place it in a text editor. There are already a number of
>> >>> > catalogues listed, and the
>> >>> > last one is followed by a line simply saying
>> >>> >
>> >>> > end
>> >>> >
>> >>> > insert before this last line the following, via cut and paste
>> >>> > or type it
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2803 -cI/315/out&-out.all=1 ucac3.dat
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If you already have an entry/line starting 2803, use a number
>> >>> > after whatever number
>> >>> > you've already got.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Remember that new number of yours though, you'll need it in
>> >>> > toolbar.dat.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Now, backup toolbar.dat. Load toolbar.dat into a text
>> >>> > editor. Again, it's in the
>> >>> > Guide
>> >>> > directory.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Increment the number at top of toolbar.dat by 1. ie if it's
>> >>> > 3000 make it say 3001,
>> >>> > just
>> >>> > by simple text editing.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Add/insert somewhere, probably near where you see a line like
>> >>> > !usno.bmp, the
>> >>> > following
>> >>> > new line
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2803 !ucac3.bmp UCAC3 data from VizieR
>> >>> >
>> >>> > there are 3 spaces at the start of that line, make it line up
>> >>> > with the other
>> >>> > nonhashed
>> >>> > lines in toolbar.dat if confused.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Again, if you used a number other than 2803 in download.txt
>> >>> > you use that number
>> >>> > instead
>> >>> > of 2803 here in toolbar.dat.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Save that in the Guide directory.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You ain't got a button for the toolbar, I hear you cry.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Okay then, I'll upload ucac3.bmp to the yahoo webpages FILES
>> >>> > account, download it
>> >>> > from
>> >>> > there. Alternatively just find any small bmp in you Guide
>> >>> > directory, copy it,
>> >>> > rename
>> >>> > it
>> >>> > to ucac3.bmp, put it any old paint package, even a basic one
>> >>> > like the one that comes
>> >>> > with the OS, zoom in a lot and pixel edit it to look however
>> >>> > you want, and save it
>> >>> > as
>> >>> > ucac3.bmp to your Guide directory.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > And that's it. You run Guide, you press the button, the
>> >>> > ucac3 data downloads from
>> >>> > VizieR (I'm using Strasbourg server, dunno if it's gone
>> >>> > worldwide re servers as
>> >>> > yet).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Except, that isn't it, coz you can't see anything.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So, here is the tdf to display it.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cut and paste the below text into a text editor, save it to
>> >>> > Guide directory as a
>> >>> > file
>> >>> > called ucac3.tdf, and you'll get help and more info. It
>> >>> > should be on via default.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Stars are coloured via 2mass bumf, and drawn to the ucac3
>> >>> > model fit magnitude (I
>> >>> > ain't
>> >>> > bothered quoting the ucac3 aperture fit magnitude, yep, two
>> >>> > for the price of one you
>> >>> > get
>> >>> > nowadays, or bogof as they call it here).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I'll shove a copy of that in files too.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You lucky people...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > As I say, you'll no doubt get a more grown up version later,
>> >>> > and those who wish to
>> >>> > get a
>> >>> > dvd will probably in time be able to use that, hopefully even
>> >>> > when copied to hard
>> >>> > drive,
>> >>> > but these are only just shipping out, and will be slowly
>> >>> > generated, I believe, so it
>> >>> > may
>> >>> > be a long while afore Guide can meaningfully support said.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cheers
>> >>> >
>> >>> > John
>> >>> >
>> >>> > John Greaves
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ---------cut and paste from next line--------
>> >>> > file ucac3.dat
>> >>> > title UCAC3
>> >>> > RA H 12 9
>> >>> > units0 -2
>> >>> > de d 29 9
>> >>> > text 1 9
>> >>> > mag 70 6
>> >>> > photo J:163,5 H:180,5 K:197,5
>> >>> > ~b 1 9 3UCAC %s\n\n
>> >>> > ~r 12 9 RA 2000 %5R +/- %[24,3] mas\n
>> >>> > ~r 29 9 Dec2000 %5D +/- %[41,3] mas\n\n
>> >>> > ~r 29 0 RA %[12,9] deg Dec +%[30,8] deg\n\n
>> >>> > ~r 29 0 - RA %[12,9] deg Dec %[29,9] deg\n\n
>> >>> > ~r 52 8 RA mean epoch: %s\n
>> >>> > ~r 61 8 Dec mean epoch: %s\n
>> >>> > ~r100 2 %s used observations\n\n
>> >>> > ~b117 8 muRA : %s +/- %[129,4] mas/y\n
>> >>> > ~b134 8 muDec : %s +/- %[145,4] mas/y\n
>> >>> > ~r113 2 \nfrom %s catalogues\n
>> >>> > ~b 70 6 \nR_u3 : %s +/- %[86,5]\n
>> >>> > ~b163 6 J : %s +/- %[171,4]\n
>> >>> > ~b197 6 Ks : %s +/- %[205,4]\n
>> >>> >
>> >>> > epoch 2000
>> >>> > type 6
>> >>> > goto spaces # Ignore extra spaces in 'go to'
>> >>> > goto case # Ignore upper vs. lower case in 'go to'
>> >>> > label spaces # Remove extra spaces in the labels
>> >>> > field 0.00 15.00
>> >>> > mag lim 10
>> >>> > shown 7
>> >>> > end
>> >>> > -----------cut and paste to previous line---------
>> >>> >
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