. Nov 15, 2007
>I was
> John, once I have the right upgrade applied, the files are there and
> able to follow your modifications with no problem. It works, I can nowluto.com/new.htm
> download YB6 data from VizieR!
>
> Greg
>
> _____
>
> From: guide-user@yahoogroups.com [mailto:guide-user@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of .
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:20 AM
> To: guide-user@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [guide-user] Re: Using YB6 in Guide via Internet download from
> VizieR
>
>
>
>
> Hiya Greg
>
> It's all my fault for having no memory.
>
> I think the latest beta version, that has been around for quite a
> while, may not have actually been released as yet, and I forgot.
>
> http://www.projectp <http://www.projectpluto.com/new.htm>
>ups.com,
> Is I think the place the latest version usually lives, but not
> necessarily the most stable, although I think this one is pretty stable.
>
> I believe some versions take a little while to go public because of
> delays in technical feedback, such as when mount drivers are added and
> the like, which not everyone uses, and I forgot.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Hopefully there's a download.txt via there, and this might explain why
> I hadn't posted something like this in my last 'netcarnation.
>
> I unfortunately have no sense of the passage of time.
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
> --- In guide-user@yahoogro <mailto:guide-user%40yahoogroups.com>
> "gmccluresprint"ups.com
> <gmccluresprint@> wrote:
> >
> > I was interested in doing this, but I am having problems finding the
> > DOWNLOAD.TXT file you refer to. I have Guide8, I have updated it
> with the
> > latest updates. The ZIP file does NOT contain any such file. Did I
> miss
> > something in the update process?
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: guide-user@yahoogro <mailto:guide-user%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:guide-user@yahoogro <mailto:guide-user%40yahoogroups.com>ups.com]
> Onnumber; no
> > Behalf Of .
> > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:22 AM
> > To: guide-user@yahoogro <mailto:guide-user%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> > Subject: [guide-user] Using YB6 in Guide via Internet download from
> VizieR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How to plot YB6 stars in Guide is detailed.
> >
> > _Background_
> >
> > There's a certain amount of fascination with the NOMAD catalogue
> > amongst some. For Guide users most of NOMAD is already available, as
> > the USNO B1.0, UCAC2 and 2MASS data are already downloadable and
> > plottable in Guide, whilst Guide already has Tycho2 and Hipparcos
> > within it (and some also have the full UCAC2). So the use of NOMAD
> > tends to double up what already exists in Guide, and it carries no
> > particular extra information to that included in the other catalogues.
> >
> > But the YB6 is in NOMAD, and this seems to fascinate people for two
> > reasons. First, it is an unpublished USNO product which is
> > unavailable separately, so it only exists in NOMAD. This is still the
> > case, to some extent. However, it is a digitisation of the plates
> > from the Yale Proper Motion surveys, so anyone using the NPM1 and NPM2
> > (Northern PM 1 and 2 catalogues), and, the SPM2.0 or better still the
> > SPM3.3 (Southern PM version 2 or version 3.3) will already have access
> > to a lot of this data, although not all.
> >
> > Second, it carries 'V magnitudes'. In fact these are photographic
> > magnitudes taken through a yellow filter in much the same way 'quick
> > V' images have been taken by POSS (equatorially) and other surveys in
> > the past, and although they can be reasonable to around a quarter mag,
> > all the way down to magnitude 17, in crowded fields they are no better
> > than any GSC1.x or USNO A/B mag in terms of quality, being up to a
> > magnitude out.
> >
> > Nevertheless, if people can get at the data, they might no worry about
> > it so much, and not feel the need to access NOMAD whilst only
> > receiving mostly that which they've already got access to.
> >
> > Note also that many objects in NOMAD logged as unique to YB6 (ie not
> > in UCAC2 nor USNO B1.0) are also in 2MASS, but NOMAD uses all optical
> > catalogues if possible before resorting to using 2MASS positions
> > (although it will use 2MASS magnitudes wherever available), so
> > relatively very few truly unique YB6 objects will occur.
> >
> > _The Procedure_
> >
> > Ensure Guide is not running.
> >
> > With the latest upgrades of Guide 8 from the internet at
> > www.projectpluto.com it's now easy to access any dataset available via
> > VizieR. A little work is needed using a text editor, notepad will
> > likely suffice, but nothing clever is needed to be known.
> >
> > HOWEVER, three working files in Guide have to be added to in the text
> > editor, so for the seriously cautious, back up the files in you Guide
> > directory (there is no need to back up the subdirectories/subfolders,
> > just the files in the Guide directory/folder).
> >
> > Everyone else can simply backup, or make copies in a separate folder
> > elsewhere, or wherever, of the following three files which are going
> > to be modified :-
> >
> > download.txt
> > strings.dat
> > win_menu.dat
> >
> > download.txt will only exist if you have downloaded and used the later
> > upgrade versions of the program. If you haven't got it, you can't get
> > extra data from VizieR.
> >
> > After backing up those 3 files in whatever way load download.txt into
> > a text editor.
> >
> > The first few lines will look something like this, but will not carry
> > as many entries or be exactly like it:-
> >
> > # Documentation at bottom of file
> > 2798 -cI/305/out&-out.all=0 gsc23.dat
> > 2799 -cII/276/sdss5&-out.all=0&mode==1 sdssdr5.dat
> > 2800 -cII/270/catal tcs.dat
> > 2801 -cB/denis/denis denis.dat
> > 2802 -cI/297/out&r=Y yb6.dat
> > end
> >
> > Access for a new catalogue is entered as a line before the "end"
> > statement.
> >
> > In this instance I already have several catalogues that will be extra
> > to most, whilst not having several other catalogue retrieval routes in
> > the original because of having the full catalogues on hard disk (eg
> > ucac2 and cmc14).
> >
> > The running number in the first column is important, each entry must
> > have a unique number.
> >
> > In this instance the number chosen is 2802. Someone already having
> > gone past 2802 needs to pick the next number after their last entry.
> > Someone who hasn't gotten that far can use whatever number is next.
> >
> > This number must be remembered, it will be used elsewhere.
> >
> > In download.txt enter the line beginning 2802 exactly as shown, cut
> > and paste it if needed. Edit 2802 to be the number desired by your
> > system. If you have not as yet reached 2802, you can use 2802 even if
> > you have not used any of the immediately previous numbers, as long as
> > you never use it for something else in download.txt. ie, enter
> >
> > 2802 -cI/297/out&r=Y yb6.dat
> >
> > on the line immediately before the one saying "end", and change 2802
> > as desired.
> >
> > Now Guide knows whereabouts in VizieR to look for the data. It is
> > actually selecting the YB6 unique entries from NOMAD as per the above
> > URL segment.
> >
> > When it finds it, it will save it to a file in the Guide
> > directory/folder called
> >
> > yb6.dat
> >
> > which is an ascii file, a raw text file.
> >
> > Now we need to get Guide to do this action when we want.
> >
> > The toolbar could be used, but the YB6 unique objects (ie ones not in
> > UCAC2 nor USNO B1.0 nor 2MASS) are actually quite sparse (which is the
> > reason using all of NOMAD just to get the odd YB6 object is overkill).
> >
> > That's a bit of a waste of a toolbar button, which soon fill up the
> > menu bar if we're not careful.
> >
> > So, we'll add the invocation command to the menu under
> >
> > EXTRAS->Get Star Catalog Data
> >
> > If you run Guide now and look under that menu you will see there are
> > already options to get data from CDROM and the internet in that
> > submenu. You must now close Guide, and indeed ensure Guide is not
> > running before making and saving any further changes.
> >
> > Get YB6 from Internet will be added to the bottom of that list.
> >
> > Ensure win_menu.dat is safely backed up somehow, load it into a text
> > editor, and look down the file towards the end. As the menues go
> > right to left on screen, the entries in win_menu.dat are top to bottom
> > in the same order, more or less.
> >
> > You will eventually see some entries like
> >
> > 2550 1545 Get UCAC2 from Internet
> >
> > this is the group that is being looked for.
> >
> > Under the last entry of that group (although above Clear Ax.0 data if
> > that is the last entry) add the following line
> >
> > 2802 1563 Get YB6 from Internet
> >
> > This is where the 2802 comes in, this links to download.txt, when this
> > menu item is called, the same number action is run in download.txt...
> >
> > ...so IF YOU'VE USED SOMETHING OTHER THAN 2802 CHANGE THE ABOVE ENTRY
> > TO USE THE NUMBER YOU'VE USED.
> >
> > Now we have another slightly pedantic problem.
> >
> > In the above entry the second number column is the line number in
> > strings.dat where the text for this menu command also lives.
> >
> > It will likely not be 1563 on your machine. It will be very close to
> > that number, as not much extra is added to my strings.dat from normal.
> >
> > The end of strings.dat looks something like this (it will wordwrap,
> > all lines should star with [] )
> >
> > [] Anything following a [] is a comment. Comments can be added
> > freely at
> > []the end of this file, since GUIDE refers to strings by line
> > []attempt is made to read past the last "meaningful" piece of text.
> > [] Most comments were added just to help translators figure out
> > where and
> > []how that text is used.
> > [] Lines 1026-1028 contain color values for planets; they are used
> > if (a)
> > []colored planets are available and (b) the planet has no bitmap.
> >
> > with a linespace before them. The entry before this gap line is the
> > last in the menu. You will enter a new line after this, and it is the
> > number of that line you need to know for replacing the 1563 value in
> > win_menu.dat in the above example for adding YB6 to win_menu.dat.
> >
> > It's not as hard as it sounds. Most text editors and ascii viewers
> > will count lines. Or import it as ascii into excel as one whole
> > column for the lot, and the row number will be the line number, yep,
> > just checked that, it works.
> >
> > The new line in strings.dat simply reads
> >
> > Get YB6 from Internet
> >
> > So now with the line
> >
> > 2802 1563 Get YB6 from Internet
> >
> > in win_menu.dat (with your number replacing 2802 from what you used in
> > download.txt and your line number from strings.dat replacing 1563)
> >
> > all are connected to each other.
> >
> > Now ensure Guide is not running still, and apply the above.
> >
> > From now on whenever Get YB6 from Internet is selected for any
> > reasonably small field YB6 stars will be added to the file YB6.dat in
> > the Guide directory/folder.
> >
> > Now all that is needed is to be able to view the data.
> >
> > Simply cut and paste the following data into a text editor and save it
> > as the file YB6.tdf in the Guide directory/folder.
> >
> > Now whenever you are in a field of two degrees or less and have
> > downloaded YB6 data, should any exist for that field, these will be
> > plotted as white stars to the V magnitude, or if there is no V
> > magnitude as small dotlike circles, where the B magnitude can be found
> > via right click (this should only occur for stars fainter then V mag
> > around 18 which are blue enough to be brighter in B mag so will be for
> > very faintest objects, so a small dot will suffice).
> >
> > Right click on these and the V mag (visual photographic plate mag, and
> > around +/- 0.3 mag at best, +/- 1+ at worst, especially in crowded
> > fields) and any B (blue photographic plate mag, ditto on quality, and
> > _not_ contemporaneous with the V mags) and any proper motion details
> > (not necessarily of the highest accuracy) are presented. More info
> > gives the RA and Dec quoted directly from the data in decimal degrees
> > (accuracy likely better than USNO B1.0 but probably never as good as
> > UCAC2, it's a photographic survey remember) and converted via Guide
> > into sexagesimal, as well as quoting the errors on the proper motion,
> > and repeating the rest of the right click data again.
> >
> > And that, as they say, is that. You can probably do it all in less
> > time than it takes to read this.
> >
> > Typical coverage is exemplified by a quarter degree field centred on
> > the sparse field around the cataclysmic variable AL Com. Only seven
> > stars are unique to YB6.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > John
> >
> > John Greaves
> >
> > ---yb6.tdf copy from the next line----
> > file yb6.dat
> > title YB6 from VizieR
> > volatile
> > RA H 21 9
> > units0 -2
> > de d 34 9
> > mag 94 6
> > ~b 24 1 YB6 Star\n\n
> > ~b 94 6 Vmag %s\n
> > ~b 84 6 Bmag %s\n
> > ~r 21 9 \nRA 2000 %R\n
> > ~r 34 9 Dec2000 %D\n\n
> > ~r 21 9 RA %s Dec %[34,9] deg\n\n
> > ~c 51 7 muRA %s mas/y\n
> > ~c 68 7 muDe %s mas/y\n
> > ~r 51 7 RAcos(Dec) proper motion : %s +/- %[61,4] mas/year\n
> > ~r 68 7 Declination proper motion : %s +/- %[78,4] mas/year\n
> >
> > epoch 2000
> > type 6
> > type sCffffff;e0,0,6;
> > field 0.00 20.00
> > mag lim 22.0
> > shown 5
> > end
> > ----------copy only up to the previous line---------
> >
> > check the long lines starting
> >
> > ~r 51
> >
> > and
> >
> > ~r 68
> >
> > for wordwrap. These are the last two lines before the gap line and
> > the follow line "epoch 2000", and should read as two lines, not three
> > or four.
> >
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