Roger Pickard Mar 9, 2007
----- Original Message -----
From: "duble.stars" <duble.stars@...>
To: <guide-user@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: [guide-user] Re: A kludge enabling internet download &
display of SDSS data release 4 in Guid
>
> Hiya Roger,
>
> well, I dunno...
>
> I've just upped another copy of s.exe to the yahoo files list, which
> is my copy, which does do sdss stuff, coz it did it yesterday.
>
> HOWEVER, I found a vagary yesterday which was weird.
>
> My toolbar buttons were in the order SDSS - DENIS - USNO B1.0 -
2MASS
> and I wanted to change them to something more logical, so I changed
> them to DENIS 2MASS SDSS USNO B1.0, and the DENIS and SDSS buttons
> completely stopped working! Dunno why.
>
> I could have 2mass and usno b1.0 in any order, but the same point
> denis and sdss (both _replace_ the unused ucac2 here) had to be in a
> certain order, no matter what, so all I can now suggest is that you
> try this new s.exe and also do the following to toolbar.dat
>
> Find where it says
>
> # 2411 !web_a20.bmp A2.0 data via Internet
> 2550 !sdss.bmp SDSS data via Internet
> 2550 !denis.bmp DENIS data via Internet
> 2458 !2mass.bmp 2MASS data via Internet
> 2457 !usno.bmp B1.0 data via Internet
> # 2413 !a10.bmp Get A1.0 data from CD-ROM
>
> or similar in your toolbar.dat. You'll likely have something like
>
> 2550 !ucac2.bmp UCAC2 data via internet
>
> instead of
>
> 2550 !denis.bmp DENIS data via Internet
>
> but I don't know exactly who the ucac2 stuff is worded coz that's
long
> gone on my setup.
>
> Basically make sure the sdss one is immediately preceding the ucac2
one.
>
> And if when you click it it _still_ goes for ucac2 data instead of
> sdss data, then Bill has evidently completely changed how stuff from
> the internet is fetched.
>
> [This is why I've had to freeze on upgrades of Guide, coz I don't
use
> it for observing, but for archive work, analysis work, and catalogue
> access, and a lot of the nifty new features that are good for
> observers that have got added in recent times (like correcting for
> proper motion and stuff) are a bit of a nuisance for me personally.]
>
> IF you have ucac2 on hard disk and don't fetch it from internet,
then
> permanently kludging gsc22.exe so the ucac2 url becomes the sdss
url,
> renaming the ucac2 datafile to sdssdr4 or whatever, is bound to
> download that data for toolbar ID 2550, no matter what name or label
> that gives, and as long as you have a tdf to show it.
>
> So, sorry if it don't work, but if the above fix leaves you still
> getting ucac2 data, that's that, coz there's no reason why it
> shouldn't work, unless it's become infeasible with current Guide 8
> upgrades due to infrastructure changes. As long as Guide calls
> gsc22.exe and you definitely completely replace gsc22.exe with
s.exe,
> the it should be impossible for ucac2 data to be fetched, coz the
> ucac2 url is just not there!!!
>
> Basically the above is something that shouldn't be done so Guide
> doesn't have to allow for it, so if it don't work it don't work,
> unfortunately.
>
> Still weird that just swapping which is written first lets it work
or
> not, though, ie
>
> 2550 !sdss.bmp SDSS data via Internet
> 2550 !denis.bmp DENIS data via Internet
>
> in toolbar.dat works, but
>
> 2550 !denis.bmp DENIS data via Internet
> 2550 !sdss.bmp SDSS data via Internet
>
> don't!
>
> Cheers
>
> John
> --- In guide-user@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Pickard" <rdp@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> > At the risk of being boring . . . .
> > I've now had a chance to look at this again and found the
following:-
> > There is a neat little file in Guide called debug.txt which lists,
for
> > example, the last download attempted. I copied s.exe to my Guide
> > directory and renamed it gsc22.exe (after copying gsc22.exe to a
safe
> > place) and hit the sdss button but got:-
> >
> > <
> >
http://archive.ast.cam.ac.uk/viz-bin/VizieR?-out.max=9999&-out.form=as
> > cii table&-order=I&-c=08 53 44 %2B57 48
> >
39&-c.eq=J2000&-oc.form=sexa&-c.r=4.000&-c.u=arcmin&-source=I/289/out&
> > -out.all=1>
> >
> > which is still the ucas data!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Roger
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "duble.stars" <duble.stars@...>
> > To: <guide-user@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:56 PM
> > Subject: [guide-user] Re: A kludge enabling internet download &
> > display of SDSS data release 4 in Guid
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Alrighty...
> > >
> > > I'm running Jan 2006 Guide 8... ...actually I think it's a
slightly
> > > later one that didn't have it's date changed, probably April
2006.
> > >
> > > The coords you note below are for stuff in the provided sdssdr4
data
> > > file, which I supplied for merely testing the TDF, consisiting
of a
> > > small subset of data in a small region. You've triangled the
stars,
> > > but that's all the same thing.
> > >
> > > If you've got s.exe in the right place, and the batch file has
run,
> > it
> > > should work.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, if you've got a large field selected it won't
work, as
> > > you'll be trying to download millions of stars. I forgot to
> > mention,
> > > probably best to stick to fields of one degree or so across or
> > > smaller, although fields of less than half an arcmin don't
always
> > work
> > > for some reason.
> > >
> > > What you can do is backup the gsc22.exe in the Guide directory
to
> > > gsc22.bak, copy s.exe to the Guide directory, and rename it to
> > gsc22.exe.
> > >
> > > You see, if the original gsc22.exe is still there, and has not
been
> > > replaced by s.exe, coz the batch file ain't executed properly,
then
> > > you are merely downloading ucac2 stars, and if your north of 40+
> > > degrees, you ain't downloading a thing.
> > >
> > > So, that's the first test.
> > >
> > > I've never bothered proffering this before because of the
problem of
> > > switching gsc22.exe files in a simple way for nonDOS systems or
> > those
> > > nonfamiliar with dos systems.
> > >
> > > s.exe is based on an old gsc22.exe, by the way, and not the
later
> > > versions, but should still run with Guide 8, as the upgrade of
Guide
> > 8
> > > I'm using came with a later download progress bar happy version
and
> > I
> > > fell out with said, so went back to old gsc22.exe.
> > >
> > > In fact, now that I think about it, this is the problem for you,
> > > you're getting a dialogue box telling you stuff is (not)
> > downloading.
> > > That shouldn't be happening, so s.exe has not replaced default
> > > gsc22.exe in the Guide directory.
> > >
> > > Either you can't run dos boxes on your setup, or .bat files are
not
> > > allowed to execute, so basically you've to copy s.exe to the
Guide
> > > directory, and rename it to gsc22.exe, and run Guide again. I
know
> > > not of XP and DOS, I have heard vista don't have it, but that's
its
> > > problem, not mine.
> > >
> > > Ensure you always have a copy of your original gsc22.exe in the
> > utils
> > > directory, or elsewhere, so you can readily copy it back to the
> > Guide
> > > 8 directory, but it looks likely that in your case you'll have
to
> > > delete gsc22.exe from the guide directory, copy s.exe to the
guide
> > > directory, then rename to gsc22.exe, when you want sdss stuff,
and
> > > then copy original gsc22.exe over that new gsc22.exe to return
to
> > > normal, which is neither elegant nor fun, but it should work.
You
> > may
> > > or may not have to relaunch Guide, shouldn't have to though.
> > >
> > > Yeh, that should do it.
> > >
> > > Famous last words...
> > >
> > >
> > > Other oddies and soddies : the data is returned to the file
> > sdssdr4,
> > > and added to anything already in that file, so said will grow,
but
> > is
> > > editable via ascii editor, so bits can be deleted, as the data
is
> > laid
> > > down in a row per object format.
> > >
> > > SDSSdr4.tdf is a standard tdf, if the sdss data is there for a
> > region,
> > > you should be able to GO TO TDF SDSSdr4 then enter
> > J172644.63+583745.8
> > > and it'll go to it, but this is so similar to GO TO RA
> > > 172644.63+583745.8, which'll also go there, I don't bother with
it
> > > personally.
> > >
> > > There is no sdss.dat, there's 180+ million of these things
according
> > > to vizier, that why download of needed bits from internet seemed
> > like
> > > a useful option.
> > >
> > > Oh, I think I've misunderstood you. You want to know a region
SDSS
> > > data will be available in.
> > >
> > > GO TO BZ UMa, that's a field that's definitely in the SDSS data
> > > release 4 region, so you can test downloading of stuff for that
> > > region. If you end up downloading 'em mulitple times just
either
> > edit
> > > or delete the sdssdr4 datafile.
> > >
> > > Here's their reference coverage map for date release 4 (the RA
is in
> > > decimal degrees, looks to be about 8h to 18h, note also varying
> > > declinatin coverage) :-
> > >
> > > http://www.sdss.org/dr4/dr4photo_big.gif
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In guide-user@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Pickard" <rdp@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > > Nearly, but not quite there.
> > > > I followed the procedure easily enough and went to GO TO RA
> > > > 172644.63+583745.8 (although you don't mention this again).
> > However,
> > > > there was a little star at the right position. Note I say
star.
> > I
> > > > had to change the
> > > > type 6 as follows to show a triangle (not sure which of the
"type"
> > > > lines I needed so copied over both from another tdf!
> > > > # type 6
> > > > type sC00fcfc;e0,0,12;
> > > > type sc5;e0,0,10,c15
> > > >
> > > > However, I go to the location of another SDSS star and hit the
> > SDSS
> > > > toolbar and the info says some small file is being downloaded
but
> > > > nothing appears - even at mag 23!
> > > >
> > > > I'm running XP BTW.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming it's something silly on my part what about a SDSS.dat
> > star so
> > > > that you can go to any chosen such star?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Roger
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "duble.stars" <duble.stars@>
> > > > To: <guide-user@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 1:17 PM
> > > > Subject: [guide-user] A kludge enabling internet download &
> > display of
> > > > SDSS data release 4 in Guide 8
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not for the faint hearted, so any doubts whatsoever
do
> > not
> > > > > even attempt it.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is actually quite simple and straightforward, but if you
> > don't
> > > > > understand it it's likely best not to try it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, this past couple of days VizieR has upgraded the SDSS
data
> > > > > release 3 photometric catalogue to data release 4, dr 4.
> > > > >
> > > > > This will show a way of downloading and displaying these
> > objects,
> > > > the
> > > > > display giving the SDSS magnitudes, their errors, positional
> > > > > information, date of observation, a link to a more in depth
page
> > on
> > > > > the SDSS server, inclusive of an image, and the
automatically
> > > > > estimated type of object.
> > > > >
> > > > > First you need to download sdss.zip from the Guide-user
yahoo
> > groups
> > > > > file section
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/guide-user/files
> > ,
> > > > > it's been successfully passed on a virus test this end, but
feel
> > > > free
> > > > > to test it again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now to the procedure :-
> > > > >
> > > > > [Note that if any of this goes wrong, simply reinstalling
the
> > latest
> > > > > Guide 8 update you are using from Guide8.zip will fix all
and
> > return
> > > > > things back to as was.]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Find gsc22.exe in your Guide directory and _copy_ it to the
> > UTILS
> > > > > subdirectory that lies within the Guide directory. It is
> > important
> > > > to
> > > > > ensure you do not move it, you need to have gsc22.exe
existing
> > in
> > > > both
> > > > > the GUIDE directory and the GUIDE/UTILS directory. Think of
it
> > as
> > > > > your backup of gsc22.exe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Copy s.exe to this UTILS directory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Copy sdssdr4.tdf to the Guide 8 directory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Copy sdss.bmp to the Guide 8 directory.
> > > > >
> > > > > sdssdr4 can be copied to the Guide 8 directory or not, it is
> > merely
> > > > > some predownloaded data for testing the TDF and is not
> > essential.
> > > > > Future downloaded data files will be appended to this file,
but
> > if
> > > > it
> > > > > does not exist a new one should be made. However, if that
> > doesn't
> > > > > happen for whatever reason, including this file will give
> > further
> > > > > downloads something to append to. GO TO RA
172644.63+583745.8
> > to
> > > > > test, clicking on coloured stars
> > > > >
> > > > > Now to make some dos batch files, this is simple enough, and
> > works
> > > > on
> > > > > my machine using win2k. Whether it works in ME or XP I
don't
> > know,
> > > > > but it should work in any Windows flavour that is capable of
> > > > launching
> > > > > a dos box. The batch files will be accessed via
> > > > >
> > > > > START in bottom left of screen, normally, far left of Task
Bar
> > > > >
> > > > > RUN
> > > > >
> > > > > In RUN entering s in the dialogue box and pressing okay will
> > turn on
> > > > > SDSS download, entering g will put things back to default.
> > > > >
> > > > > Open Notepad
> > > > >
> > > > > enter the following lines, adapted for your computer
> > > > >
> > > > > @echo off
> > > > > copy d:\fullpath\guide\utils\s.exe
d:\fullpath\guide\gsc22.exe
> > > > >
> > > > > if you store guide in a drive different from D:, edit
> > accordingly,
> > > > and
> > > > > replace the words "fullpath" with the full file path to your
> > Guide
> > > > > directory.
> > > > >
> > > > > The simplest version would be c:\guide\gsc22.exe for example
for
> > > > > someone who has isntalled Guide directly to drive C:
> > > > >
> > > > > Save those two lines as a file named s.bat in your Windows
> > > > directory!
> > > > >
> > > > > That'll be in c:\windows or c:\winnt or similar. It can
> > > > alternatively
> > > > > be saved in the system32 directory. Basically any directory
> > that is
> > > > > listed in the system variables' path will suffice for those
in
> > the
> > > > > know, otherwise just do the above.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do all the above with a second file except in Notepad type
> > > > >
> > > > > @echo off
> > > > > copy d:\astro\guide\utils\gsc22.exe d:\astro\guide\gsc22.exe
> > > > >
> > > > > and save it as g.bat in the windows or other appropriate
> > directory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now to edit TOOLBAR.dat. You may wish to make a copy of
this
> > and
> > > > call
> > > > > it toolbar.bak first, however it is usually replaced with
Guide
> > 8
> > > > > upgrade zipfiles anyway, so recoverable. Unless, of course,
you
> > > > keep
> > > > > a personally modified version, then back it up.
> > > > >
> > > > > At the top of Toolbar.dat is a number. In your text editor,
> > > > possibly
> > > > > notepad will suffice, increment this number by 1. ie if it
says
> > > > 0304
> > > > > change it to 0305.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can add the following line anywhere, but if you add it
near
> > > > other
> > > > > internet download toolbar buttons it'll be easier to find in
> > future.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, in notepad for example, EDIT->FIND usno.bmp or gsc22.bmp
or
> > > > similar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Insert a line and add in this line
> > > > >
> > > > > 2550 !sdss.bmp SDSS data via Internet
> > > > >
> > > > > such that the local arrear of this list now looks something
> > similar
> > > > to
> > > > > this
> > > > >
> > > > > # 2161 !rs.bmp RealSky image
> > > > > # 2119 !dss.bmp DSS image
> > > > > # 2378 !gsc22.bmp GSC 2.2 data via Internet
> > > > > # 2410 !web_dss.bmp Grab DSS image via Internet
> > > > > # 2411 !web_a20.bmp A2.0 data via Internet
> > > > > 2550 !sdss.bmp SDSS data via Internet
> > > > > 2457 !usno.bmp B1.0 data via Internet
> > > > > 2458 !2mass.bmp 2MASS data via Internet
> > > > > # 2413 !a10.bmp Get A1.0 data from CD-ROM
> > > > > # 2414 !a10.bmp Get A2.0 data from CD-ROM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You will likely also have an UCAC2 data via Internet link,
which
> > I
> > > > > have removed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Save toolbar.dat
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically this simply works because s.exe is a version of
> > gsc22.exe
> > > > > which has been hex edited to get sdss dr 4 data from vizier
> > instead
> > > > of
> > > > > getting ucac2 data from vizier.
> > > > >
> > > > > OPERATION
> > > > >
> > > > > Guide will now have an SDSS toolbar button, possibly also an
> > ucac2
> > > > one
> > > > > depending on personal preference.
> > > > >
> > > > > When s.bat is run by using START->RUN->s the file s.exe
copies
> > over
> > > > > gsc22.exe such that when the SDSS toolbar button is pressed
SDSS
> > > > data
> > > > > release 4 data is returned via VizieR. Incidentally, SDSS
data
> > > > > release 4 data will also be returned if the UCAC2 button is
> > pressed
> > > > in
> > > > > this cirumstance. This is a dirty little kludge and simply
> > replaces
> > > > > the ucac2 fetch with an sdss fetch. There is no download
> > progress
> > > > box
> > > > > for SDSS retrieval, incidentally.
> > > > >
> > > > > To return Guide 8 to UCAC2 download simply use START->RUN->g
> > which
> > > > > copies the default gsc22.exe stored in the UTILS directory
back
> > into
> > > > > the Guide directory and returns the normal situation.
Again, in
> > > > this
> > > > > situation pressing on the SDSS button returns UCAC2 data as
does
> > > > > pressing on the UCAC2 button. The 2550 tells you that in
> > > > toolbar.dat
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a _kludge_, not a fix or addition.
> > > > >
> > > > > The SDSS data is returned as coloured stars where g' and r'
are
> > > > > interpreted as B and R using "photo" in the TDF as this
seems to
> > > > give
> > > > > the most accurate matches. The stars are plotted to the r',
or
> > red,
> > > > > mag. Right click gives mag info and object type and more
info
> > > > > additionally errors on mag and date when imaged and a link
to
> > the
> > > > SDSS
> > > > > data release 5 summary page and image for that star at the
SDSS
> > > > webserver.
> > > > >
> > > > > SDSS data fills half the northern sky, plus an near complete
> > > > > equatorial strip, is good between mags about 15 and 20+, and
is
> > of
> > > > > decent astrometry, and better than USNO B1.0, so makes a
nice
> > > > > complement to UCAC2 where it is available, but avoids dense
star
> > > > > regions so lies mainly away from the Milky Way.
> > > > >
> > > > > High quality V can be calculated for good g' and r' values
using
> > > > >
> > > > > V = r' + 0.44*(g'-r') - 0.02
> > > > >
> > > > > for stars that are not too red.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, if you can see a need for this, try it, if it works,
> > fine, if
> > > > > not reinstall your personal latest upgrade file and ignore.
> > > > Therefore
> > > > > there must be a willingness and ability to reinstall the
latest
> > > > > upgrade file the user is using before any attempt is made to
try
> > > > this,
> > > > > ie it's the users own responsibility, it's a kludge, if it
> > doesn't
> > > > > work you've to be aware of how to return to where you were.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand, it's simple and straightforward enough,
if a
> > > > little
> > > > > fiddly, and it works a doddle, I've been using it ages
(albeit
> > with
> > > > > vizier SDSS data release 3 until the data release 4 upgrade
> > > > yesterday).
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, for those who can hex edit files, you could replace
the
> > > > sdss
> > > > > vizier url, and download file name (sdssdr4), in s.exe with
any
> > > > other
> > > > > vizier list, such as DENIS or CMC14, easily enough, but
you'll
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > > write a TDF to plot up the downloaded datafile in Guide and
> > create a
> > > > > .bmp file for the toolbar using 2550 as anchor, but most of
the
> > rest
> > > > > of the above will be just the same, though s.bat and s.exe
will
> > no
> > > > > longer be mnemonic, of course.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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