duble.stars Mar 9, 2007
--- In guide-user@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Pickard" <rdp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
> At the risk of being boring . . . .
> I've now had a chance to look at this again and found the following:-
> There is a neat little file in Guide called debug.txt which lists, for
> example, the last download attempted. I copied s.exe to my Guide
> directory and renamed it gsc22.exe (after copying gsc22.exe to a safe
> place) and hit the sdss button but got:-
>
> <
> http://archive.ast.cam.ac.uk/viz-bin/VizieR?-out.max=9999&-out.form=as
> cii table&-order=I&-c=08 53 44 %2B57 48
> 39&-c.eq=J2000&-oc.form=sexa&-c.r=4.000&-c.u=arcmin&-source=I/289/out&
> -out.all=1>
>
> which is still the ucas data!
>
> Cheers,
> Roger
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "duble.stars" <duble.stars@...>
> To: <guide-user@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:56 PM
> Subject: [guide-user] Re: A kludge enabling internet download &
> display of SDSS data release 4 in Guid
>
>
> >
> > Alrighty...
> >
> > I'm running Jan 2006 Guide 8... ...actually I think it's a slightly
> > later one that didn't have it's date changed, probably April 2006.
> >
> > The coords you note below are for stuff in the provided sdssdr4 data
> > file, which I supplied for merely testing the TDF, consisiting of a
> > small subset of data in a small region. You've triangled the stars,
> > but that's all the same thing.
> >
> > If you've got s.exe in the right place, and the batch file has run,
> it
> > should work.
> >
> > Incidentally, if you've got a large field selected it won't work, as
> > you'll be trying to download millions of stars. I forgot to
> mention,
> > probably best to stick to fields of one degree or so across or
> > smaller, although fields of less than half an arcmin don't always
> work
> > for some reason.
> >
> > What you can do is backup the gsc22.exe in the Guide directory to
> > gsc22.bak, copy s.exe to the Guide directory, and rename it to
> gsc22.exe.
> >
> > You see, if the original gsc22.exe is still there, and has not been
> > replaced by s.exe, coz the batch file ain't executed properly, then
> > you are merely downloading ucac2 stars, and if your north of 40+
> > degrees, you ain't downloading a thing.
> >
> > So, that's the first test.
> >
> > I've never bothered proffering this before because of the problem of
> > switching gsc22.exe files in a simple way for nonDOS systems or
> those
> > nonfamiliar with dos systems.
> >
> > s.exe is based on an old gsc22.exe, by the way, and not the later
> > versions, but should still run with Guide 8, as the upgrade of Guide
> 8
> > I'm using came with a later download progress bar happy version and
> I
> > fell out with said, so went back to old gsc22.exe.
> >
> > In fact, now that I think about it, this is the problem for you,
> > you're getting a dialogue box telling you stuff is (not)
> downloading.
> > That shouldn't be happening, so s.exe has not replaced default
> > gsc22.exe in the Guide directory.
> >
> > Either you can't run dos boxes on your setup, or .bat files are not
> > allowed to execute, so basically you've to copy s.exe to the Guide
> > directory, and rename it to gsc22.exe, and run Guide again. I know
> > not of XP and DOS, I have heard vista don't have it, but that's its
> > problem, not mine.
> >
> > Ensure you always have a copy of your original gsc22.exe in the
> utils
> > directory, or elsewhere, so you can readily copy it back to the
> Guide
> > 8 directory, but it looks likely that in your case you'll have to
> > delete gsc22.exe from the guide directory, copy s.exe to the guide
> > directory, then rename to gsc22.exe, when you want sdss stuff, and
> > then copy original gsc22.exe over that new gsc22.exe to return to
> > normal, which is neither elegant nor fun, but it should work. You
> may
> > or may not have to relaunch Guide, shouldn't have to though.
> >
> > Yeh, that should do it.
> >
> > Famous last words...
> >
> >
> > Other oddies and soddies : the data is returned to the file
> sdssdr4,
> > and added to anything already in that file, so said will grow, but
> is
> > editable via ascii editor, so bits can be deleted, as the data is
> laid
> > down in a row per object format.
> >
> > SDSSdr4.tdf is a standard tdf, if the sdss data is there for a
> region,
> > you should be able to GO TO TDF SDSSdr4 then enter
> J172644.63+583745.8
> > and it'll go to it, but this is so similar to GO TO RA
> > 172644.63+583745.8, which'll also go there, I don't bother with it
> > personally.
> >
> > There is no sdss.dat, there's 180+ million of these things according
> > to vizier, that why download of needed bits from internet seemed
> like
> > a useful option.
> >
> > Oh, I think I've misunderstood you. You want to know a region SDSS
> > data will be available in.
> >
> > GO TO BZ UMa, that's a field that's definitely in the SDSS data
> > release 4 region, so you can test downloading of stuff for that
> > region. If you end up downloading 'em mulitple times just either
> edit
> > or delete the sdssdr4 datafile.
> >
> > Here's their reference coverage map for date release 4 (the RA is in
> > decimal degrees, looks to be about 8h to 18h, note also varying
> > declinatin coverage) :-
> >
> > http://www.sdss.org/dr4/dr4photo_big.gif
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In guide-user@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Pickard" <rdp@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > > Nearly, but not quite there.
> > > I followed the procedure easily enough and went to GO TO RA
> > > 172644.63+583745.8 (although you don't mention this again).
> However,
> > > there was a little star at the right position. Note I say star.
> I
> > > had to change the
> > > type 6 as follows to show a triangle (not sure which of the "type"
> > > lines I needed so copied over both from another tdf!
> > > # type 6
> > > type sC00fcfc;e0,0,12;
> > > type sc5;e0,0,10,c15
> > >
> > > However, I go to the location of another SDSS star and hit the
> SDSS
> > > toolbar and the info says some small file is being downloaded but
> > > nothing appears - even at mag 23!
> > >
> > > I'm running XP BTW.
> > >
> > > Assuming it's something silly on my part what about a SDSS.dat
> star so
> > > that you can go to any chosen such star?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "duble.stars" <duble.stars@>
> > > To: <guide-user@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 1:17 PM
> > > Subject: [guide-user] A kludge enabling internet download &
> display of
> > > SDSS data release 4 in Guide 8
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This is not for the faint hearted, so any doubts whatsoever do
> not
> > > > even attempt it.
> > > >
> > > > It is actually quite simple and straightforward, but if you
> don't
> > > > understand it it's likely best not to try it.
> > > >
> > > > Now, this past couple of days VizieR has upgraded the SDSS data
> > > > release 3 photometric catalogue to data release 4, dr 4.
> > > >
> > > > This will show a way of downloading and displaying these
> objects,
> > > the
> > > > display giving the SDSS magnitudes, their errors, positional
> > > > information, date of observation, a link to a more in depth page
> on
> > > > the SDSS server, inclusive of an image, and the automatically
> > > > estimated type of object.
> > > >
> > > > First you need to download sdss.zip from the Guide-user yahoo
> groups
> > > > file section http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/guide-user/files
> ,
> > > > it's been successfully passed on a virus test this end, but feel
> > > free
> > > > to test it again.
> > > >
> > > > Now to the procedure :-
> > > >
> > > > [Note that if any of this goes wrong, simply reinstalling the
> latest
> > > > Guide 8 update you are using from Guide8.zip will fix all and
> return
> > > > things back to as was.]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Find gsc22.exe in your Guide directory and _copy_ it to the
> UTILS
> > > > subdirectory that lies within the Guide directory. It is
> important
> > > to
> > > > ensure you do not move it, you need to have gsc22.exe existing
> in
> > > both
> > > > the GUIDE directory and the GUIDE/UTILS directory. Think of it
> as
> > > > your backup of gsc22.exe.
> > > >
> > > > Copy s.exe to this UTILS directory.
> > > >
> > > > Copy sdssdr4.tdf to the Guide 8 directory.
> > > >
> > > > Copy sdss.bmp to the Guide 8 directory.
> > > >
> > > > sdssdr4 can be copied to the Guide 8 directory or not, it is
> merely
> > > > some predownloaded data for testing the TDF and is not
> essential.
> > > > Future downloaded data files will be appended to this file, but
> if
> > > it
> > > > does not exist a new one should be made. However, if that
> doesn't
> > > > happen for whatever reason, including this file will give
> further
> > > > downloads something to append to. GO TO RA 172644.63+583745.8
> to
> > > > test, clicking on coloured stars
> > > >
> > > > Now to make some dos batch files, this is simple enough, and
> works
> > > on
> > > > my machine using win2k. Whether it works in ME or XP I don't
> know,
> > > > but it should work in any Windows flavour that is capable of
> > > launching
> > > > a dos box. The batch files will be accessed via
> > > >
> > > > START in bottom left of screen, normally, far left of Task Bar
> > > >
> > > > RUN
> > > >
> > > > In RUN entering s in the dialogue box and pressing okay will
> turn on
> > > > SDSS download, entering g will put things back to default.
> > > >
> > > > Open Notepad
> > > >
> > > > enter the following lines, adapted for your computer
> > > >
> > > > @echo off
> > > > copy d:\fullpath\guide\utils\s.exe d:\fullpath\guide\gsc22.exe
> > > >
> > > > if you store guide in a drive different from D:, edit
> accordingly,
> > > and
> > > > replace the words "fullpath" with the full file path to your
> Guide
> > > > directory.
> > > >
> > > > The simplest version would be c:\guide\gsc22.exe for example for
> > > > someone who has isntalled Guide directly to drive C:
> > > >
> > > > Save those two lines as a file named s.bat in your Windows
> > > directory!
> > > >
> > > > That'll be in c:\windows or c:\winnt or similar. It can
> > > alternatively
> > > > be saved in the system32 directory. Basically any directory
> that is
> > > > listed in the system variables' path will suffice for those in
> the
> > > > know, otherwise just do the above.
> > > >
> > > > Do all the above with a second file except in Notepad type
> > > >
> > > > @echo off
> > > > copy d:\astro\guide\utils\gsc22.exe d:\astro\guide\gsc22.exe
> > > >
> > > > and save it as g.bat in the windows or other appropriate
> directory.
> > > >
> > > > Now to edit TOOLBAR.dat. You may wish to make a copy of this
> and
> > > call
> > > > it toolbar.bak first, however it is usually replaced with Guide
> 8
> > > > upgrade zipfiles anyway, so recoverable. Unless, of course, you
> > > keep
> > > > a personally modified version, then back it up.
> > > >
> > > > At the top of Toolbar.dat is a number. In your text editor,
> > > possibly
> > > > notepad will suffice, increment this number by 1. ie if it says
> > > 0304
> > > > change it to 0305.
> > > >
> > > > You can add the following line anywhere, but if you add it near
> > > other
> > > > internet download toolbar buttons it'll be easier to find in
> future.
> > > >
> > > > So, in notepad for example, EDIT->FIND usno.bmp or gsc22.bmp or
> > > similar.
> > > >
> > > > Insert a line and add in this line
> > > >
> > > > 2550 !sdss.bmp SDSS data via Internet
> > > >
> > > > such that the local arrear of this list now looks something
> similar
> > > to
> > > > this
> > > >
> > > > # 2161 !rs.bmp RealSky image
> > > > # 2119 !dss.bmp DSS image
> > > > # 2378 !gsc22.bmp GSC 2.2 data via Internet
> > > > # 2410 !web_dss.bmp Grab DSS image via Internet
> > > > # 2411 !web_a20.bmp A2.0 data via Internet
> > > > 2550 !sdss.bmp SDSS data via Internet
> > > > 2457 !usno.bmp B1.0 data via Internet
> > > > 2458 !2mass.bmp 2MASS data via Internet
> > > > # 2413 !a10.bmp Get A1.0 data from CD-ROM
> > > > # 2414 !a10.bmp Get A2.0 data from CD-ROM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You will likely also have an UCAC2 data via Internet link, which
> I
> > > > have removed.
> > > >
> > > > Save toolbar.dat
> > > >
> > > > Basically this simply works because s.exe is a version of
> gsc22.exe
> > > > which has been hex edited to get sdss dr 4 data from vizier
> instead
> > > of
> > > > getting ucac2 data from vizier.
> > > >
> > > > OPERATION
> > > >
> > > > Guide will now have an SDSS toolbar button, possibly also an
> ucac2
> > > one
> > > > depending on personal preference.
> > > >
> > > > When s.bat is run by using START->RUN->s the file s.exe copies
> over
> > > > gsc22.exe such that when the SDSS toolbar button is pressed SDSS
> > > data
> > > > release 4 data is returned via VizieR. Incidentally, SDSS data
> > > > release 4 data will also be returned if the UCAC2 button is
> pressed
> > > in
> > > > this cirumstance. This is a dirty little kludge and simply
> replaces
> > > > the ucac2 fetch with an sdss fetch. There is no download
> progress
> > > box
> > > > for SDSS retrieval, incidentally.
> > > >
> > > > To return Guide 8 to UCAC2 download simply use START->RUN->g
> which
> > > > copies the default gsc22.exe stored in the UTILS directory back
> into
> > > > the Guide directory and returns the normal situation. Again, in
> > > this
> > > > situation pressing on the SDSS button returns UCAC2 data as does
> > > > pressing on the UCAC2 button. The 2550 tells you that in
> > > toolbar.dat
> > > >
> > > > This is a _kludge_, not a fix or addition.
> > > >
> > > > The SDSS data is returned as coloured stars where g' and r' are
> > > > interpreted as B and R using "photo" in the TDF as this seems to
> > > give
> > > > the most accurate matches. The stars are plotted to the r', or
> red,
> > > > mag. Right click gives mag info and object type and more info
> > > > additionally errors on mag and date when imaged and a link to
> the
> > > SDSS
> > > > data release 5 summary page and image for that star at the SDSS
> > > webserver.
> > > >
> > > > SDSS data fills half the northern sky, plus an near complete
> > > > equatorial strip, is good between mags about 15 and 20+, and is
> of
> > > > decent astrometry, and better than USNO B1.0, so makes a nice
> > > > complement to UCAC2 where it is available, but avoids dense star
> > > > regions so lies mainly away from the Milky Way.
> > > >
> > > > High quality V can be calculated for good g' and r' values using
> > > >
> > > > V = r' + 0.44*(g'-r') - 0.02
> > > >
> > > > for stars that are not too red.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Again, if you can see a need for this, try it, if it works,
> fine, if
> > > > not reinstall your personal latest upgrade file and ignore.
> > > Therefore
> > > > there must be a willingness and ability to reinstall the latest
> > > > upgrade file the user is using before any attempt is made to try
> > > this,
> > > > ie it's the users own responsibility, it's a kludge, if it
> doesn't
> > > > work you've to be aware of how to return to where you were.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, it's simple and straightforward enough, if a
> > > little
> > > > fiddly, and it works a doddle, I've been using it ages (albeit
> with
> > > > vizier SDSS data release 3 until the data release 4 upgrade
> > > yesterday).
> > > >
> > > > Finally, for those who can hex edit files, you could replace the
> > > sdss
> > > > vizier url, and download file name (sdssdr4), in s.exe with any
> > > other
> > > > vizier list, such as DENIS or CMC14, easily enough, but you'll
> have
> > > to
> > > > write a TDF to plot up the downloaded datafile in Guide and
> create a
> > > > .bmp file for the toolbar using 2550 as anchor, but most of the
> rest
> > > > of the above will be just the same, though s.bat and s.exe will
> no
> > > > longer be mnemonic, of course.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups
> > > Sponsor --------------------~-->
> > > > Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email
> > > design.
> > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/1.XolB/TM
> > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ~->
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an empty email to:
> > > > guide-user-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups
> Sponsor --------------------~-->
> > Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design.
> > http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/1.XolB/TM
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> ~->
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an empty email to:
> > guide-user-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>