Re: [guide-user] Is Guide9 capable of displaying 'two' Guider chips?

Joe Mize Jan 28, 2016

Thkx Bill, that did it.  I duplicated ‘ccd.nam’ as a backup before I appended your figures,
”SBIG Research 11000XM            KAF-11000M   9        9    4008  2672  917 0,.6231,.1313,.1477,640,480 0,-1.08117,.098470,.196939,480,640”.
When starting Guide9 the new chip wasn’t displayed.  Opening “CCD Dialog”, unchecking Show Fame, cycling the Dialog and rechecking Show Frame the second Guide chip appeared.  The 2nd Guide chip is perfect for Guide Star selection and image composition.
FYI:  Right click-dragging a line to measure the short dimension of the new chip Guide9 shows the following:
3.7412’ = 224.47”
PA 359.1 deg
RA offset : 0.0603’ = 3.6232” = 0.59 sec
Dec offset: 3.7404’ = 224.44”
Thkx again Bill...joe  :)

"May He Go Among the Imperishable Stars"
Joe Mize, StarFields Observatory,
Chiefland Astronomy Village
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [guide-user] Is Guide9 capable of displaying 'two' Guider chips?
Hi Joe,

    OK,  it should work about like this :

    The main chip is a KAF-11000,  with 4008 x 2672 pixels,  each nine
microns square.  That makes it 36.072 x 24.048 millimeters.

    The guiding chips are both TC327s,  with 640 x 480 pixels,  7.4
millimeters square.  So they're 4.736 x 3.552 millimeters.

    The built-in guider chip is 4.736 / 36.072 = 0.13129 times the width
of the main chip,  and 3.552 / 24.048 = 0.14770 times the height.  That
leaves us with the separation between the chips to figure out... which,
fortunately,  SBIG documents :

    (which could have spared me even the very modest amount of arithmetic
done above).  The center-to-center distance is 15.39 millimeters,  which
is 15.39 / 24.048 = 0.63997 times the height of the main chip.  Which
is why the guider chip specification for the SBIG-11000 is


    ...first the separation horizontally (zero,  in this case;  the chips
are one over the other),  then the vertical separation (0.6231 times the
height of the main chip,  not quite what we got... looks as if I used the
height from the above URL,  which probably contains some non-imaging rows).
Next,  we have the ratios in width and height between guider and main chip.
Finally,  we specify that the guiding chip has 640x480 pixels.

    Your extra guiding chip,  being tilted 90 degrees,  would have width
ratio 3.552/36.072 = 0.098470 and height ratio 4.736/24.048 = 0.196939.
If it's 26 millimeters,  center to center,  from the main chip,  that would
be 26/24.048 = 1.081171 main chip height units.  Except we'll make it
negative, to put it on the opposite side from the built-in guiding chip.

    Tacking all that on to the existing guiding chip specifier,  we get

0,.6231,.1313,.1477,640,480 0,-1.08117,.098470,.196939,480,640

    Edit your 'ccds.nam',  look for the SBIG 11000 line,  and add that
second bit,  and the guiding chip will show up.  (Unfortunately, without
a second set of guiding rings...)

    As a side note:  in hindsight,  this was a really dumb design
decision.  At the time I wrote this part of Guide,  I assumed there
would only be a few guiding chips,  and I'd add them in as I learned of
them.  So I didn't invest a lot of time making it user friendly.  But
even given that,  it would have been about as easy for me to make
the format for the above line look like this :

0,15.39,9,9,640,480 0,-26,9,9,480,640

    ...i.e.,  offsets in millimeters,  followed by guider chip sizes in
microns,  then guider size in pixels.  Had I done so,  it would have
saved a lot of trouble,  both for Guide users trying to add their own
guiding chips (or making mosaics),  and for me in terms of providing
tech support for them.  Dunno what I was thinking when I made it the
way I did,  but it's definitely not my finest hour.

-- Bill

Posted by: Bill Gray <pluto@...>

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